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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host and we have an

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excellent a really big shoe tonight

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uh we have a we have two shows going on

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tonight the first hour

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i'm glad to see i have an exclusive

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interview about the uh uap hearing last

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week uh leslie kane who was actually in

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attendance there

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and it was a week ago today

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and uh there's been a lot of grumbling i

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like what uh i like what ralph

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blumenthal said last week he said let's

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not focus on the negative let's focus on

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the positive where this thing has led

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and i agree with that we're going to be

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talking about uh things with leslie what

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it was like being there and what it was

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like being there after i think that's

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also uh really important as well so the

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first hour if you're watching live uh if

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you're listening live to kg r a radio no

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problem everything's going to be all set

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for you if you're watching live what

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you're going to have to do is jump over

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to the next stream right after the hour

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is up and i'm going to be talking with

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randall nickerson

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over there about his film that just

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released last friday and that is the

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aerial phenomenon a great film and so

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just remember you want to jump over to

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the next show and that's right over on

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our youtube channel and over on facebook

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as well

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so uh our blog this week

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is a ufo and humanoids reported in

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canada by charles lear great blog as

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always and just so you know next week we

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have uh former us air force sergeant

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mario woods about a uh very frightening

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ufo encounter the hit that he had uh is

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very interesting he's been on

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unidentified in a number of other shows

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talking about that i think it's a

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discovery plus he's going to be on that

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uh soon as well so uh here we go i'm

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bringing in our guest

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leslie kane welcome hello hi martin good

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i always enjoy our discussions

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uh really uh i think i had you on fairly

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early you had enough faith in me that uh

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you i think you might have checked me

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out a little bit and thought i might be

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when was that are you talking when you

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say earlier when does that mean uh well

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you know i i started my show back in

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okay and when i met in person in 2013 in

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north carolina right i remember

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and that's also when i read i met

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randall nickerson as well at the same at

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the same place right and i believe you

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were on once before that time so anyway

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you've been on a number of times and you

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move the needle and of course december

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talk about last week and also you know

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ahead of all of us that this was going

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only i think didn't our story come out

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because we that was core to the uh story

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of my sense of timing um

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midnight or something so we had to get

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carson until 10 on that very day so

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crafting the story and then we had i i

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of bipartisanship but that maybe this is

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very bipartisan and it's just such a

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wonderful thing to to witness that right

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extraterrestrial intelligence we would

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something along those lines and who

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things got you know more obvious to the

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world but we don't know um but for right

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oh yeah this was this was covered by

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media all over the world this hearing

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information whether we know that there

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even some of the members of congress

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house has done it uh and the senate

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stay on this and that they are committed

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intense for that story and there were

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things we wished all three of us helene

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stayed in there that were taken out you

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the paper and it has a lot of authority

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requires and it's frustrating but it's

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meaningful that when we do a story it

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so it's it's it is um that that first

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intense um but i'm very happy with the

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way it turned out

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in there and thank you moderator um and

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he just noted that

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wilson document but i just want to just

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and it's because you just don't know

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enough about it

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right i mean i just want to get that out

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there i mean the wilson document

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we've been together working on certain

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things around that but um

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you know i don't have any special

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have uh i think that a lot of

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researchers like richard dolan have done

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uh i've have my own sources i talked to

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but i don't have anything particularly

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to add to the dialogue about that i just

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don't want to comment on it at this

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point i'm glad that it's

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in the congressional record i think

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that's a good thing

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yeah just look into it

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yeah speaking of that um one of the

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things

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i think this is very important myself

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is

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now moultrie i guess he's had an

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interest in this but when someone first

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starts looking at this topic you can

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certainly by error go down all kinds of

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rabbit holes there's all kinds of traps

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laid out there when it comes to youtube

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videos when it comes to

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um the fringe that sounds really

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interesting things that have been

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disproven

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how when they're going to investigate

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how are they going to avoid

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these little sand traps

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of uh you know the the hoaxes etc out

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there i mean do they it's almost like

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they need someone like you or someone

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that's

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really well versed in the ufo topic

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that has a level head that's not going

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to let them go down

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the the wrong paths

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i think they will i mean i i think that

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people like lou elizondo and chris

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mellon

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can provide those kinds of services to

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them and i i assume that they will

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consult with chris and lou and and

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others um

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and i just want to also just take my hat

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off to chris mellon and louis lozando

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because if it weren't for them

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there wouldn't have been any hearings

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and they have just been incredibly

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important working behind the scenes i

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mean i've been in touch with them over

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the years

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about the work they do behind the scenes

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and i don't know if everybody knows

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about it especially from chris because

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he's pretty quiet about it but they are

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absolutely major players in this and

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i think that they are in touch with the

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key people in both the senate and the

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house

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that are looking into this and and i'm

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sure that those members will go to them

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for advice um about you know issues that

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are of the craziness of things they can

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run into

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i'm sure they have good people guiding

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them about that

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yeah i know i know louis and washington

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dc quite a bit

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um yeah you know just when because i've

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been in touch with this uh with his wife

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i'm just you know trying to communicate

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with him basically so it's interesting

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and you're not the first person that has

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said that to me that this would have

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never happened without their efforts

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which is great i mean the first the

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first step in the whole domino effect

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was lou resigning from the dod

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lou resigning from atip that's what set

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everything in motion and then allowing

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us to

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publish that story in the new york times

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and that but it was really him he he

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started the whole thing and he's still

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deeply involved in making a major

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contribution

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yes yep

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and uh he has stepped back from doing

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podcasts for a little while

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there's uh there's a lot of controversy

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uh people are attacking him and things

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like that so um but he's always got a

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welcome place here whenever um he would

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like to talk

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so um let's talk about you decided you

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were going to go to the hearing and so

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how did all that

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how was that yeah i didn't just decide

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you can't just sort of decide and say

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i'm going you have to get in that's not

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easy the reason i was able to go was

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because i'm working

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with c i'm working on a five-part series

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for cnn on ufos with breakthrough films

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which is the same film company that did

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surviving death for netflix based on my

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other book

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met my book called surviving death and

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um so i've worked with this company for

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years and um

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because of the the fact that we're doing

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the series for cnn i was able to get a

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press pass through cnn

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because as an independent journalist

389
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otherwise i wouldn't you know yeah i

390
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have to get a press pass from somebody

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to get in and you have to go through the

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uh required assess you know whatever

393
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they have to do to approve you

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which which they did for me at cnn so

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that's how i was able to sit in that

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room

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with the rest of the media that was in

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there and you couldn't see them

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they're sort of in the back of the room

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in little tables so you when they when

401
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they showed it on c-span you can't see

402
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all the media that are sitting around

403
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but you know there were people there

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from the washington post and major media

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all of them were there

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um

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and it was just

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i just felt it really uh thrilling to be

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physically in that space i mean

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it was like i couldn't see the it was a

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huge room as you can see and i couldn't

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really see the faces of the of the the

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members who were asking the questions i

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was sort of sitting to the side and kind

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of behind the two witnesses so

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it's like

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but none of that really mattered to me

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you know i could hear everything and and

419
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when they first showed the video i

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couldn't even see it because i was

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behind the screen then eventually i

422
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stood up and was able to see it but

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it you know the the what was important

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to me was just this the thrill of being

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in that physical space for this historic

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event and i really do feel i know people

427
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are unhappy with a lot of what happened

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there but i feel like as ralph said

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that overall this was an amazing

430
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positive development that this hearing

431
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happened at all and that the members did

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ask good questions

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and it just teaches us where we need to

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go next and that's really valuable so i

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just was really really i felt so

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fortunate that i could be in that in

437
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that room that was the main thing um

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yeah and just absorbed the energy of

439
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that and this you know being or hanging

440
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around while they were setting up and

441
00:16:23,269 --> 00:16:21,040
the members were filing in and watching

442
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carson you know he sat there for like 15

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minutes

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just studying his notes and

445
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just kind of um you know media walking

446
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around doing spot photos and interviews

447
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with people and then

448
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just being able to be present for it was

449
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was really cool

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that's great i'm going to play a clip of

451
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scott bray

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okay it's just a short clip right here

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chairman schiff chairman carson ranking

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member crawford and committee members

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thank you very much for the opportunity

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to be here today to highlight the

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ongoing work of the department of

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defense regarding unidentified aerial

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phenomena since the early 2000s

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we have seen an increasing number of

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unauthorized and or unidentified

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aircraft or objects in

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military-controlled training areas

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and training ranges and other designated

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airspace

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reports of sightings are frequent and

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continuing

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we attribute this increase in reporting

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to a number of factors including our

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work to destigmatize reporting an

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increase in the number of new systems

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such as quadcopters and unmanned aerial

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systems that are in our airspace

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identification of what we can classify

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as clutter mylar balloons and other

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types of air trash

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and improvements in the capabilities of

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our various sensors to detect things in

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our airspace

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almost two years ago in august of 2020

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deputy secretary defense nordquist

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directed the establishment of the

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unidentified aerial phenomena task force

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within the department of the navy the

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uap task force was built on the

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foundation of the navy's initial efforts

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to respond to the reports from our

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aviators on unidentified objects

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observed in our training ranges

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the basic issues then and now are

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twofold first

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incursions in our training ranges by

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unidentified objects represent serious

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hazards to safety of flight

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in every aspect of naval aviation safety

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of our air crews is paramount

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second

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intrusions by unknown aircraft or

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objects pose potential threats to the

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security of our operations our aviators

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train as they would fight

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so any intrusions that may compromise

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the security of our operations by

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revealing our capabilities our tactics

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techniques or procedures

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are of great concern to the navy and the

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department of defense

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from the very beginning we took these

509
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reports very seriously we instituted a

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data-driven approach to the

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investigations where we could collect as

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much data as possible and use all

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available resources to analyze and make

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informed decisions on the best ways to

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address our findings our main objective

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was to transition uap efforts from an

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anecdotal or narrative based

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approach to a rigorous science and

519
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technology engineering focused study

520
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this data-driven approach

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requires input from a wide variety of

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sources

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in the early stages the task force

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worked to standardize the reporting

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mechanisms and processes to make it as

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easy as possible

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for personnel to report any engagement

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so that we were getting that wide range

529
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well i think i think that's all very

530
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important because

531
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think of the change of the way

532
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it was

533
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subject before and now

534
00:19:44,789 --> 00:19:43,039
it's like they're handing them an easy

535
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way to report it

536
00:19:48,070 --> 00:19:46,799
um and the best line i like in that

537
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whole thing is

538
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to change it from anecdotal

539
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to you know science-based

540
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data

541
00:19:57,669 --> 00:19:55,600
i think that's

542
00:19:59,669 --> 00:19:57,679
yeah let's hope it happens i mean i

543
00:20:01,990 --> 00:19:59,679
think he's describing

544
00:20:04,710 --> 00:20:02,000
something that hasn't is he describes it

545
00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:04,720
as if more has happened in that regard

546
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:06,400
than actually has happened i mean i

547
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:08,480
think they they still have a long way to

548
00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:10,400
go to pull all this data together and

549
00:20:15,990 --> 00:20:13,360
get their project their program rolling

550
00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:16,000
um so he's putting his best face on it

551
00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:17,840
but um

552
00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:19,679
yeah i mean

553
00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:20,799
it's not a whole lot you know i think

554
00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:24,720
we've we've all seen that many times and

555
00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:26,240
you know i don't know what i i don't

556
00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:28,000
know what else to say about it but i i

557
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mean i'm very positive about the whole

558
00:20:33,510 --> 00:20:32,720
thing but you know but i do feel like i

559
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:33,520
mean

560
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:36,000
there was a sense that these guys first

561
00:20:39,909 --> 00:20:38,640
of all don't know all that much about

562
00:20:41,669 --> 00:20:39,919
ufos

563
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:41,679
yeah and their their job is really to

564
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:43,440
pull these programs together and kind of

565
00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:45,280
collect data and get everything

566
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:47,360
organized and it's not to sit around and

567
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:49,679
look at cases themselves

568
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:51,440
it was good to hear they finally have a

569
00:20:55,029 --> 00:20:53,200
director for the program which took a

570
00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:55,039
while and um so

571
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:57,520
yeah you know anyway i think it's all

572
00:21:01,590 --> 00:20:59,919
good um it might be it might be fun to

573
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:01,600
watch this um

574
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:03,120
to talk a little bit about tim burchett

575
00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:06,240
because he's such a stark contrast to

576
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:09,039
what you saw here i mean uh yeah the

577
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:10,559
hearing was over

578
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:13,200
so congressman tim burchett from

579
00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:16,159
tennessee is like this fire brand you

580
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:19,600
know passionate outspoken bold person on

581
00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:20,799
this issue

582
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:23,440
and he was the only member of congress

583
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:25,200
other than the house members who were

584
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:26,880
who were part of the committee who who

585
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:28,799
came to the hearing he was kind of

586
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:31,120
pulled by a poll by that he

587
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:32,400
you know why should he have been the

588
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:34,320
only one there he was unhappy there

589
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:36,720
weren't more people that just came from

590
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:38,559
outside the committee he was he was

591
00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:40,240
pleased that schiff was there which

592
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:41,840
which was really great

593
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:44,720
but after the um the hearing you know

594
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:46,559
he was somebody just asked him a

595
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:48,320
question as he was leaving the hearing

596
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:49,120
room

597
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:50,880
and before you knew it the media was

598
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:52,960
just swarmed around him with their their

599
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:54,720
microphones and their and i was there

600
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:56,400
with my cell phone

601
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:58,640
and he was just you know people loved

602
00:22:01,830 --> 00:22:00,400
the kinds of the way he was answering

603
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:01,840
these questions

604
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:04,240
so i put i took a a clip with my cell

605
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:05,360
phone

606
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:06,799
and i guess you have it martin if you

607
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:08,080
want to display that i just think it'd

608
00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:10,400
be really fun for people to see it and

609
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:12,080
get the energy of this this very

610
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:13,840
different kind of guy who's

611
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:16,159
talking about this yeah here we go

612
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:18,000
what needs to happen i think we need to

613
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:19,440
be transparent we need to trust the

614
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:20,880
american public

615
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:22,559
people that would

616
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:24,640
just give them all that we have quit

617
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:26,480
giving these redacted reports quit

618
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:28,240
telling us we're going to have a report

619
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:30,000
comes out come out and it's something i

620
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:31,919
could have written in the fifth grade

621
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:33,760
and and just then say oh we gave you a

622
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:35,840
report then they move on it's just the

623
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:38,159
arrogance of the military and the

624
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:39,360
pentagon

625
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:40,960
and congress

626
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:43,039
it's that's why people don't trust us i

627
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:45,520
have a t-shirt that i sell on my website

628
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:47,360
and it sells very well it says more

629
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:48,240
people

630
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:50,559
believe in ufos and believe in congress

631
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:53,360
and this is the very example why because

632
00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:55,039
uh and i'm not holding any of the

633
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:56,960
committee members at fault or these

634
00:23:01,110 --> 00:22:59,360
people here but because what they have i

635
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:01,120
think is a very compartmentalized

636
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:04,400
knowledge of what is going on really

637
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:17,029
i guess you know my biggest surprise

638
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:18,640
when i got to congress was that i wasn't

639
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:20,320
surprised the biggest surprise in here

640
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:22,159
was i wasn't surprised they're not going

641
00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:24,480
to come forth with any information

642
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:26,799
any of the photos or any uh

643
00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:28,960
real witnesses and i know what they'll

644
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:31,840
say it's all under classified but if i

645
00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:33,840
know about it i'm not in a classic it

646
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:34,960
seems as though it's all under

647
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:37,520
classified or they were not given the

648
00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:40,080
official report we saw

649
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:42,640
gallagher raised uh some concerns about

650
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:43,440
some

651
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:45,440
variants yeah and that has been

652
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:47,120
something that's been out for a long

653
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:49,600
time i was i was sort of surprised that

654
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:51,760
they denied even knowledge of it which

655
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:52,799
to me is

656
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:55,360
is there is um

657
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:56,880
it's pretty much

658
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:58,960
typified the whole hearing i think and

659
00:24:01,909 --> 00:24:00,400
what all this is we keep hearing about

660
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:01,919
sources and methods that have to be

661
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:03,840
protected um is there a way to find out

662
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:05,679
in closed session whether or not

663
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:08,400
these objects are coming from space i

664
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:10,320
mean that question seems to be

665
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:11,600
i think that's going to be a logical

666
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:13,440
question

667
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:15,919
yeah i i don't know i'm not in i'm not i

668
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:23,110
how high the radar contract but is there

669
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:24,640
a way to just simply ask in closed

670
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:25,440
session

671
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:28,000
did it come from 100 percent

672
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,440
yeah do you think it's counterproductive

673
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:31,679
what congressman gallagher brought up

674
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:33,600
no i think gallagher

675
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:35,039
raised a very good question it just

676
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:36,720
proved my point that they're not very

677
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:38,799
forthcoming with information but i

678
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:41,520
believe it's because of uh

679
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:42,559
their knowledge is very

680
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:49,510
yeah he's really he's really cool

681
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:51,120
it's like we're being the reporter right

682
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:52,400
in the room

683
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,559
he said um you know

684
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:56,400
basically he thinks that there's he

685
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:58,960
calls it a cover-up and he says um he

686
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:00,559
doesn't trust the dod

687
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:03,039
and he says why are we giving the agency

688
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:05,200
that's responsible for the cover-up

689
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:07,440
giving them the power to be the ones to

690
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:09,840
do the investigation

691
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:12,320
like the fox and the house exactly i

692
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,080
mean that's uh he makes that point all

693
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:16,720
the time and you know i mean regardless

694
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:19,360
if many maybe other members are thinking

695
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:21,919
that they wouldn't say it and he's just

696
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,159
he just let's lets it rip

697
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,400
yeah i love that and so there was

698
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:28,799
besides schiff and him there was no one

699
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:30,400
else from outside

700
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:32,000
that attention there was no one else i

701
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:34,000
mean he sat in this the rows you know

702
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:36,000
that were behind the two were behind

703
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:37,840
moultrie and bray there were some rows

704
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:39,039
of seats

705
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:41,279
which were for people like him he sat

706
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:43,279
there but there wasn't one other

707
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:45,120
elected official there

708
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:46,480
except for him

709
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:48,559
and he was unhappy about that yeah yeah

710
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:50,000
but you know they they'll probably i'm

711
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:51,919
sure they're all watching it

712
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:53,840
i mean they you know they know they can

713
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:56,080
watch it on on the video so maybe that's

714
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:57,360
why

715
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,000
he's really devoted to this issue

716
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:02,880
yeah and um i like his t-shirt too

717
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:04,640
yeah he's just uh

718
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:07,360
has a lot of passion i am was able to go

719
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:10,080
speak with him some more afterwards and

720
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:11,200
the other person that was there with

721
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:13,840
ryan graves who also held court with the

722
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:15,039
media

723
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:16,799
after the uh

724
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:18,400
after it happened he was out in the hall

725
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:20,159
and the media came all i mean they were

726
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:21,840
they were really interested in these

727
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,640
other

728
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,480
people that were there like him and and

729
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:27,039
burchett and i actually introduced ryan

730
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:29,039
to timber chet so they met for the first

731
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:31,520
time and it was great that he was there

732
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:32,400
um

733
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:34,799
he really added a lot to you know being

734
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:37,039
being available for interviews so

735
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:39,120
that was cool yeah yeah yeah that's

736
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:41,679
great and he touched on just for a

737
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:44,240
second on historic

738
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,440
you know basically on historic cases uh

739
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:49,200
that gallagher brought up

740
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:50,080
and

741
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:50,799
i

742
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:56,559
you know whether these are our

743
00:27:02,630 --> 00:26:59,919
adversaries whether these are you know

744
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,640
china or russia or you know

745
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:04,559
some other technology that we're unaware

746
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:06,559
of i really like the fact that they said

747
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:08,799
there's no blue on blue which means it's

748
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:10,960
not we're not chasing our own tales that

749
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:12,960
type of thing but

750
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:15,600
when it comes to historical cases that

751
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:18,799
seems like it's always lacking because

752
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:20,720
as you know you know these there have

753
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:22,640
been accounts of things

754
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:24,799
you know maneuvering like people are

755
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:26,640
seeing today the military is seeing

756
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:28,960
today many many years ago before it

757
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:30,559
would just be impossible for that

758
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:33,120
technology to be available at the time

759
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:34,799
that people have witnessed them in the

760
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:37,520
60s and the 70s and 80s you know

761
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:40,159
and if that technology existed out there

762
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:41,600
we would know about it

763
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,559
there's there's just no way around it

764
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:46,559
i i agree with you i mean i don't see

765
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:48,559
how it could possibly possibly be

766
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:50,320
russian or chinese

767
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:52,240
certainly not all of them

768
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:54,559
i mean you know it's just uh and tim

769
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:56,240
burchard will come right out and say

770
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:57,760
that it's just

771
00:28:02,230 --> 00:28:00,799
not possible i think we are moving more

772
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:02,240
towards more and more people being

773
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:03,679
willing to really

774
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:05,120
say that but

775
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:06,720
there's always that

776
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:09,760
they leave that door open you know that

777
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:12,240
and certainly the witnesses were very uh

778
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:13,440
you know

779
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:14,720
careful about

780
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:16,240
saying anything too radical and they

781
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:17,840
would leave that door open no they could

782
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:20,720
they could be adversarial technology

783
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:23,919
um it seems pretty unlikely i mean

784
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:25,840
and i think the question that he raised

785
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:27,279
about

786
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:29,120
do they come from space that was another

787
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:31,520
question that chris mellon raised before

788
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:34,399
the hearing he wrote a brilliant

789
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:35,760
uh

790
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:37,840
you know post about questions that he

791
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,120
thought should have been asked and that

792
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,279
was one of the top questions it's like

793
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:43,120
do we have data that shows the objects

794
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:45,360
coming from space i mean that would be

795
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:46,320
very

796
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:48,880
revealing just to put it mildly and you

797
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:51,120
know i wish somebody had asked them that

798
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:52,880
um i don't know what they would have

799
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:54,000
said they might have said we have to

800
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:56,399
save that for close sessions who knows

801
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:59,200
but it is a really really good question

802
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:01,600
i think so i've wondered that for years

803
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:04,159
we we have the technology to see

804
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:06,080
something incoming

805
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:07,679
we have satellites you know that can

806
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:09,440
monitor that kind of thing and i'm sure

807
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:11,440
we do have data like that it's just a

808
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:14,399
question of i'm sure it's classified too

809
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:17,760
so you know um but i i like the way i

810
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,600
mean they certainly talked about

811
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:21,840
transparency being important

812
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:23,200
and i know what's important to the

813
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:25,279
congressman i mean for when i spoke to

814
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:27,919
carson he was so adamant

815
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:30,159
he's very passionate about this as well

816
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:32,000
you couldn't really tell from the him at

817
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:34,480
this at the session but he was

818
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:37,120
very humanly connected to this issue he

819
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:38,799
really does care about it he started

820
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:40,480
looking into ufos reading books about

821
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:42,799
him when he was 16. so something he

822
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:45,200
cares about and um

823
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:46,799
i think uh

824
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:48,960
yeah so i forget what we were talking

825
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:50,960
about but

826
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:53,120
i lost my train of thought martin well

827
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,200
we're talking about historic cases yeah

828
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,600
more or less you know yeah

829
00:30:02,230 --> 00:29:59,760
and that you know the russian or chinese

830
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:02,240
i mean i think people like carson are

831
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:04,399
are very aware that these are not from

832
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:06,880
here i mean i just oh oh i'm sorry

833
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:09,600
extraterrestrial possibilities

834
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:12,480
yes and it's just a question of

835
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:13,360
how

836
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:17,360
that known

837
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:19,679
what kind of data you need to have you

838
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:22,320
know and all this sort of the process of

839
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:24,080
of a slow um

840
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:26,000
revealing of all of that and a slow

841
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:28,480
unfolding of that um i mean it's

842
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:30,240
actually been relatively fast if you

843
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:32,559
look at it in the last starting in 2017

844
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:34,480
compared to what it was before

845
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:37,200
exactly but nonetheless um

846
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:38,640
you know it's just i think it's just

847
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:42,240
going to keep unrolling and um hopefully

848
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:44,159
some of these other kinds of questions

849
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:47,039
will be asked at the next hearing

850
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:49,520
and i think birchit knows what questions

851
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:51,120
need to be asked

852
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:53,039
he just wasn't part of the committee so

853
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:55,760
he didn't get to ask any questions

854
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:57,919
and there was a there was a point where

855
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:59,200
uh

856
00:31:02,149 --> 00:31:01,279
scott bray said something along the

857
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:02,159
lines

858
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,000
that they didn't want to reveal

859
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:06,240
something that may be classified in

860
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:08,000
their their methods and things like that

861
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,240
or if they find something out they

862
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:12,480
wouldn't want it to be revealed to an

863
00:31:16,190 --> 00:31:14,960
adversary so that made me question of

864
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:16,200
course you could go into a

865
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:18,159
conspiratorial a little bit about that

866
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:19,679
does that mean that if they find out

867
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:22,240
that it's extraterrestrial life

868
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:24,480
per se would that be something that they

869
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:25,760
would keep want to keep from their

870
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:27,760
adversaries which would mean that they

871
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:29,519
would have to keep it from the public in

872
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:30,559
general

873
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:31,679
i know that's such an interesting

874
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:33,120
question because what they always talk

875
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:35,440
about is its sources and methods it's

876
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,919
our it's our technology it's our sensor

877
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:40,080
capabilities it's our re you know all

878
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:42,080
the technology that we have that we use

879
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:44,159
to study these phenomena

880
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,080
and perhaps the day some of the data

881
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:48,159
that we've acquired about the technology

882
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:49,919
of the phenomena is what we don't want

883
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,320
our adversaries to to have

884
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:54,640
but one of the congressmen did ask about

885
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:57,200
you know could we have more cases that

886
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:58,960
just involve

887
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:01,840
uh witness accounts witness data you

888
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:05,120
know more data about specific events

889
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:07,279
and um i remember they yeah it was

890
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:09,200
either i think it was bray who said you

891
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:09,919
know

892
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:12,000
um i'm committed to being transparent

893
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:14,240
and releasing those things as long as we

894
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:15,840
can remove the sources and methods

895
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:17,120
component

896
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:19,039
so we'll see whether they do that i mean

897
00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:21,519
it it takes time and energy to

898
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:23,519
to make that happen and they probably

899
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:25,039
have other things they're focusing on

900
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:26,080
but

901
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:28,080
it does seem to be that what they're

902
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:29,760
talking about is

903
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,360
more sources and methods but then that's

904
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:33,600
a really interesting question if they

905
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:35,760
if they determine that some of these

906
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:36,720
objects

907
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:38,799
if they can feel that they can prove

908
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:41,440
conclusively they're not from here

909
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:43,840
does that become a question

910
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:45,679
that i mean obviously

911
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:46,960
many people would believe that's a

912
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:48,640
question that belongs to the to everyone

913
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:50,320
on this planet

914
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:52,720
but would they feel that that needed to

915
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:55,120
be kept classified for

916
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:56,640
because of something to do with our

917
00:33:01,029 --> 00:32:59,120
adversaries i really don't know um

918
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:01,039
i don't know how they would

919
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:02,960
how they would relate to that and

920
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:05,200
probably some of them already are aware

921
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:07,200
of that so

922
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:09,440
but they'd have to have very solid data

923
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:11,600
to ever make a statement of the to that

924
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:13,039
to that effect

925
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:15,039
um you know so i don't know where that

926
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:16,640
where that would fall

927
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:19,760
right and how you know like

928
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:22,240
that would be such a hard thing to

929
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:24,559
release for people to actually take it

930
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:27,600
seriously and i have been talking to a

931
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:30,640
number of people out there and my good

932
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,200
friend has as well like she talked to

933
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:35,440
her hairdresser and people like that hey

934
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:37,120
did you hear about the hearing

935
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:38,960
no what hearing what are you talking

936
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:39,760
about

937
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:42,320
um do you think that it it got

938
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:44,240
mainstream enough

939
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,159
i mean it seems like that's a big deal

940
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:48,320
to me it's a big deal to all of us who

941
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:51,440
care about ufos huge deal and it was all

942
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:53,039
over the media

943
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:54,720
but i mean that doesn't mean that the

944
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:56,080
average person

945
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:58,559
has any awareness of it i think i i tend

946
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:01,440
to lose perspective on that um

947
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:03,039
you know because it's so much part of my

948
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:05,600
world and i associate with so many other

949
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:08,480
people who who it's also important to

950
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,639
that i kind of forget that we really are

951
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:12,000
in a minority

952
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:13,760
you know and just because it's all over

953
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:15,200
the evening news

954
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:17,359
doesn't mean that everybody's paying any

955
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:19,679
attention to it or even cares

956
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:23,040
we have a very ephemeral society

957
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:24,720
things like

958
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:26,399
one day and then the next day they're on

959
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:28,159
to something you know it's something

960
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:30,560
else exactly it's true yeah all this

961
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:32,399
information blasting at us from all over

962
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:33,520
the place

963
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:36,960
um you know so i don't know what we can

964
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:39,760
really expect or or hope for but

965
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:41,280
i'm just wondering if it would be the

966
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:43,200
same thing if all of a sudden there was

967
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:44,960
an announcement yes

968
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:47,359
we have just discovered that these

969
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:50,240
are uh extraterrestrial visiting and

970
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:51,839
don't be afraid everything's going to be

971
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:54,560
okay nothing's happened yet uh you know

972
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:56,079
if they announced that

973
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:58,560
uh you would think that it would be like

974
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:01,200
really earth-shattering and changing and

975
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:02,560
all that but who knows it might be

976
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:05,119
another situation where oh yeah i heard

977
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:07,119
that yeah yeah and and people not really

978
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:09,280
taking you seriously i i wonder about

979
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:11,359
that i know i wonder about it too i i

980
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:13,599
can't imagine it wouldn't be a big deal

981
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:15,839
i mean really paradigm shifts are a big

982
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:18,079
deal that's a paradigm shift

983
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,839
but the reactions and the impacts may

984
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:23,599
might not happen overnight you know but

985
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:25,680
i i think it would have a huge

986
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:27,440
ramifications but i think there'd also

987
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:29,760
be a segment of the population that

988
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:31,200
wouldn't care

989
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:33,440
yeah they just want to they need to take

990
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:35,040
care of their families and go to work

991
00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:36,480
and live their lives and they don't want

992
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:38,240
to be bothered with this kind of thing

993
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:41,040
and you know they'll say well nothing's

994
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,119
they haven't harmed us yet

995
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:45,359
so i'm not scared about it i think we're

996
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,760
you know i don't know but i think it'll

997
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:49,680
be a big moment when that happens if and

998
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:51,200
when that happens um

999
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:52,960
[Music]

1000
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,880
just like so many i mean so many people

1001
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,320
in the ufo community have thought about

1002
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:58,480
this thing for a long time probably more

1003
00:36:00,870 --> 00:36:00,000
a lot more than i have

1004
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:00,880
uh

1005
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:05,359
i don't know but it is a huge deal for

1006
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:06,800
that to happen

1007
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:09,040
if there's a definitive announcement

1008
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:12,320
with data to back it up you know some

1009
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:15,040
kind of a report that shows analysis of

1010
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:17,200
a retrieved object or something like

1011
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:19,760
that um you know and i still think it

1012
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:21,280
would be a small

1013
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:24,400
section of our society that would

1014
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:26,480
that would actually believe it

1015
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:28,400
i still think no matter what date is out

1016
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:30,320
there it would be really hard for some

1017
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:31,599
people to

1018
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:34,000
understand or believe that

1019
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:35,440
that's probably true a lot of people

1020
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:36,960
wouldn't believe it no matter what was

1021
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:38,000
said

1022
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:39,680
you know i was a little this uh question

1023
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:41,920
comes about the the video

1024
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:45,119
um and that they showed at the hearing

1025
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:46,800
all right and i was kind of disappointed

1026
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:48,000
with that and i was thinking is that

1027
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:49,920
really the best they have

1028
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:50,800
you know

1029
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:53,359
it's not yeah i i know

1030
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:55,920
uh you know we've heard about videos

1031
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:58,079
being absconded all the way back when

1032
00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:00,000
gordon cooper was out in the desert you

1033
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:01,920
know i mean there must be some really

1034
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:04,400
good video out there and which of course

1035
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:05,839
they probably don't have those those

1036
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,000
older videos i mean this task force is a

1037
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:10,560
really new operation but they certainly

1038
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,599
have if they have what atip had

1039
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:15,520
which assumedly they do because they're

1040
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:17,520
essentially sort of a continuity from

1041
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:19,280
atip um

1042
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:20,480
you know

1043
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:22,800
i mean lou elzano has talked publicly

1044
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:24,800
about the incredible videos that they

1045
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:26,640
have it had it ate it but he has

1046
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:28,480
personally seen

1047
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:29,359
which

1048
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:31,920
are far superior to the three navy

1049
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:34,079
videos that came out

1050
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,280
so

1051
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:37,440
you know the one that they showed it's

1052
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:40,000
not nothing special i mean it's it's

1053
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:42,079
really nothing special at all and we

1054
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,760
know that they have better

1055
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:45,680
so the better ones are similarly are

1056
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:46,960
classified

1057
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:48,960
just like there's a buzz

1058
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:51,040
yeah there's buzz out there now

1059
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:54,320
on twitter that you know someone sent me

1060
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:56,000
that saying another video is going to be

1061
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:58,240
released by next weekend i don't know if

1062
00:38:01,990 --> 00:38:00,720
that's just a rumor or have you heard

1063
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:02,000
that as well

1064
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:03,520
i don't know if they're talking about

1065
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:05,680
the um conference that's happening in

1066
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:08,000
utah at the end of this month oh that's

1067
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:09,839
that might be it the homeland security

1068
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:12,000
videos that are coming out that's

1069
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:14,160
probably what it is that's probably i

1070
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:17,280
suspect that's what it is yeah yeah so

1071
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:19,200
who knows what to uh

1072
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:22,480
what that will be all about but um

1073
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:24,800
so when you're when you were there in

1074
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:25,920
the room

1075
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:28,640
were you actually able to see the video

1076
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:30,720
and it's too bad they wasted so much

1077
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:32,560
time on that trying to find that little

1078
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:34,880
i know that was crazy wasn't it i mean

1079
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,800
that they didn't anticipate in advance

1080
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,400
that probably they're going to be able

1081
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:40,640
to they're going to need to stop on that

1082
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:41,680
image

1083
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:42,880
i mean you know i'm surprised they

1084
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:45,599
didn't have a still image already to

1085
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,560
show

1086
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:48,640
but yeah i mean i i couldn't really i'm

1087
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:50,560
sitting sort of behind the screen where

1088
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:52,480
the one where he got up and pointed to

1089
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:53,119
it

1090
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,640
and there's actually actually was able

1091
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:56,640
to find some photos online that showed

1092
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:58,880
me sitting there but there was a screen

1093
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:01,200
across the room but it was very far away

1094
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:02,400
from where i was sitting so i couldn't

1095
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:05,119
see it very well at all but i knew that

1096
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:06,560
i would be able to look at it online so

1097
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:08,720
it didn't really matter

1098
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:10,800
and so afterwards

1099
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:13,200
uh what was i mean i were you kind of i

1100
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:15,040
was surprised that it got over as

1101
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:16,800
quickly as it did

1102
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:18,560
did you have any idea that it was going

1103
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:20,960
to be an hour and a half well yeah and i

1104
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:23,200
was told it would be about that actually

1105
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:25,119
yeah from carson's office so i wasn't

1106
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:27,440
surprised um but it looked like some of

1107
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,760
the committee members were not present

1108
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:31,920
there were some empty seats

1109
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:33,520
um i haven't gone through the list to

1110
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:35,680
figure out who was president who wasn't

1111
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:37,200
maybe i'm sure some people have done

1112
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:38,320
that but

1113
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:39,920
um it may have been that it would have

1114
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:42,240
been a little longer if all the maybe

1115
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:43,599
i'm wrong but there were it looked like

1116
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:45,040
there were empty seats there so i don't

1117
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:46,400
know if all the members were there i

1118
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:48,400
think jim tim burcha was saying that

1119
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:50,880
they weren't all there

1120
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:51,839
um and

1121
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:53,520
does that change anything when they're

1122
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:55,119
when they're not there i think as long

1123
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:57,680
as there's a quorum they're fine i see

1124
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:59,200
he kept talking about oh i don't know if

1125
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:00,800
there was a quorum

1126
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:02,480
and i don't know why if that matters or

1127
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:05,119
not he seemed to think it did um

1128
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:07,119
so i i don't know but i think there was

1129
00:40:11,349 --> 00:40:09,200
enough people there for quorum i mean

1130
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:11,359
it's it's well i know you have

1131
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:12,880
absolutely no idea what happened in the

1132
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,119
classified section

1133
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:17,760
of of the meeting later on that day and

1134
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:20,000
there's nothing really to say about that

1135
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:22,880
but do you think that would you

1136
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:26,640
um speculate that what happened there is

1137
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:28,640
going to move things

1138
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:30,880
forward more

1139
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:32,800
i assume i mean the more classified

1140
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:34,400
briefings that the members of congress

1141
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:36,240
can get the better the more informed

1142
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:37,359
they are

1143
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:39,440
and in those briefings hopefully they're

1144
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:41,440
putting more pressure on

1145
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,440
on moultrie and bray to

1146
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:45,599
do what they want them to do

1147
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:47,440
so uh you know

1148
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:49,599
yeah so there's the the director and

1149
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:52,960
then there's moultrie and bray is that

1150
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:54,720
really it and everything else is like

1151
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:56,079
outside

1152
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:58,640
um i want to say like contractors but

1153
00:41:01,430 --> 00:41:00,560
outside consulting

1154
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:01,440
is that

1155
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:03,760
i mean i i'm sure they have staff that

1156
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:05,440
are involved with this they just aren't

1157
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:07,839
open about it but this this office you

1158
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:09,920
know what they call the task force and

1159
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,000
then it also has that weird

1160
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:14,400
aims gog or whatever it is

1161
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:17,440
i know so hard to pronounce way too many

1162
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:19,200
way too many words they have people

1163
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,280
working on that i'm sure beyond just i

1164
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:23,200
mean those two guys are more supervisors

1165
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:25,520
so if they hire a director i'm

1166
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:26,960
assumingly they're going to have staff

1167
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:28,000
as well

1168
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:29,680
and they have liaisons to all these

1169
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:32,240
different other other agencies i mean

1170
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,240
i don't know i'm not privy to all the

1171
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:36,720
inside workings of it but it seems like

1172
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:37,839
they

1173
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,839
progress and i think that's the sense i

1174
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:43,920
got from lou elizondo who's really on

1175
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:46,000
the inside of this that

1176
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:48,000
they have a ways to go in terms of

1177
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:50,640
really making all this stuff happen that

1178
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:53,200
that the legislation has mandated needs

1179
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:54,960
to happen i mean they're supposed to

1180
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:58,480
issue a report for the public in october

1181
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:01,040
uh they don't seem very close to being

1182
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:02,800
able to do that i mean according to this

1183
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:04,800
i believe the first port report

1184
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:06,800
according to the gila brand legislation

1185
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:09,040
is due in october

1186
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:11,599
so they just need to

1187
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:13,839
get things going a little more you know

1188
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:15,920
get things happening and i think this

1189
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:18,240
hearing is is a nudge for them to do

1190
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:19,520
that

1191
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,359
because it they haven't been moving very

1192
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:23,359
quickly it doesn't seem like

1193
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:26,960
and how would that work as far as

1194
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,480
would they

1195
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:30,319
entertain

1196
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:33,119
of working with allies other countries i

1197
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:34,640
know that you've been an advocate for

1198
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:36,800
that oh definitely and i know that lou

1199
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:38,480
lou feels lou elizando feels that's

1200
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:40,480
extremely important and he made an

1201
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:42,000
interesting comment because there were a

1202
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:43,760
number of points

1203
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:45,920
in the hearing where um

1204
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:48,319
some of them where the witnesses said i

1205
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:50,000
don't remember which one

1206
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,000
that they were you know the allies some

1207
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:54,960
of the allies were sharing data with us

1208
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:56,720
some countries were sharing with us and

1209
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:58,400
we're sharing with some countries i

1210
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:01,119
remember saying that um

1211
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:02,480
and

1212
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:04,160
i don't know i mean

1213
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:06,319
el lou elizano made the point that he's

1214
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:07,040
been

1215
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:10,160
out to him

1216
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:12,720
saying we have nobody's been contacting

1217
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:14,160
us

1218
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:15,440
uh

1219
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:17,040
you know they want to work with us and

1220
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,119
they need to work with us and i think

1221
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:21,280
louis lozando is is helping to

1222
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,119
facilitate that

1223
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:25,200
but um i don't get the sense that it's

1224
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,680
quite as developed those relationships

1225
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:29,599
as they might have indicated at the

1226
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:31,839
hearing i'm not sure though

1227
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:34,319
but it's it's a really really important

1228
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:36,800
part of the of the whole process that

1229
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,160
it's got to be an international effort i

1230
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:42,960
think that's so important

1231
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:45,599
every country has data to share every

1232
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:47,200
country can learn from every other

1233
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:49,520
country and ultimately when we get to

1234
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:52,240
the bottom of what this is

1235
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:55,119
that's a planetary issue it is a

1236
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:57,839
planetary issue and it has existential

1237
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:00,480
ramifications for every human being

1238
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:02,560
so the more sharing that there is the

1239
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:04,079
better it's not something that should be

1240
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:06,880
owned by any one country ultimately i

1241
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:08,560
mean we have to be concerned about the

1242
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:10,240
the national security side of it

1243
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:11,520
obviously

1244
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:13,680
but there's another side of this

1245
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:16,160
which is goes beyond that which is just

1246
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,400
the fact that it is what it is and what

1247
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:20,640
does that mean for us as human beings

1248
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,440
how does that redefine who we are how we

1249
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:25,520
see ourselves you know the bigger

1250
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,280
questions that are associated with this

1251
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:29,280
and i think because of those bigger

1252
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:31,119
questions

1253
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:33,200
it's part of the reason why it needs to

1254
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:36,880
become a global effort i mean i i just

1255
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:38,240
that just

1256
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:40,160
seems really important to me and i think

1257
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,160
to many others um

1258
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:43,920
and let's hope that i think we will move

1259
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:45,920
more in that direction

1260
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:48,319
it makes total sense because like you

1261
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:50,319
said you know there was a great

1262
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:53,280
bipartisan well it should be a great you

1263
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,800
know world

1264
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:56,160
uniting

1265
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:58,720
um to to find out the truth i mean

1266
00:45:02,150 --> 00:45:00,240
there's nothing

1267
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:02,160
that i can think that would be

1268
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:04,000
in uh

1269
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,400
in a negative way about that

1270
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:08,079
yeah although there will be countries

1271
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:10,880
that want that are just only focused on

1272
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,800
acquiring the technology and having the

1273
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:14,400
advantage

1274
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:16,560
of you know being able to

1275
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:18,400
have that technology i mean whoever has

1276
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:20,240
that technology

1277
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:22,560
rules the world basically so it's always

1278
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:24,319
going to be i think the conflict about

1279
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:26,560
that i can't imagine that

1280
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:28,240
russia china and america are just going

1281
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,839
to let all that go and be best friends

1282
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:31,440
and share whatever they know i don't

1283
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:33,280
think that's going to happen

1284
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:34,079
but

1285
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:36,560
there can be a lot more um

1286
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,400
you know of a global i think the more

1287
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:40,319
that other countries besides if those

1288
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:41,440
three

1289
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:43,359
can come on board with this and and

1290
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:45,520
start to establish their own

1291
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:47,359
authority within this

1292
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,960
you know within this investigation and

1293
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:50,640
start contributing

1294
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,119
that's going to help balance out

1295
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:55,200
the sort of focus on china russia and

1296
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:56,319
america

1297
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:57,359
um

1298
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:59,040
and i think that would be a positive

1299
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:01,760
thing do you think that they more or

1300
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,119
less

1301
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:05,040
claimed that there's no

1302
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,040
crashed retrieval

1303
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:09,280
uh material they did they absolutely

1304
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:12,560
said they said not in our possession

1305
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:14,319
not in the possession of the task force

1306
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:15,520
well yeah

1307
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:17,119
you can be sure that if these things

1308
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:19,520
exist they're not sitting there in the

1309
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:21,599
office of the task force they're in a

1310
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:23,440
you know deeply buried special access

1311
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:24,560
program

1312
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:26,960
uh so i think that was that doesn't mean

1313
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:29,280
we don't have it it just means the task

1314
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:31,119
force doesn't have it

1315
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:32,800
and i mentioned this last week when i

1316
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:33,760
had

1317
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:35,599
ralph blumenthal on for a few minutes

1318
00:46:40,829 --> 00:46:36,560
that

1319
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:40,839
they had a specialist in metallurgy

1320
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:44,560
yeah totally what does that mean right

1321
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:47,680
i mean you know i i just don't think

1322
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:50,800
the task force is not the ultimate

1323
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:53,440
you know they don't have everything

1324
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:55,520
and they don't know everything

1325
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:56,960
and

1326
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:58,400
they haven't been around that long i

1327
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:59,520
mean think of all the things that go

1328
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:00,960
back decades right they haven't been

1329
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:02,560
around for more than a couple of years

1330
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:03,280
so

1331
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:05,280
right um

1332
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:07,440
and if we have any retrieved

1333
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:09,520
craft or retrieved debris or whatever

1334
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:11,280
we've had it for longer than that so

1335
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:12,880
it's already

1336
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:14,800
locked up somewhere

1337
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:16,400
right um

1338
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:18,000
so fascinating

1339
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:20,240
if it exists if it exists and i i

1340
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:22,079
believe that it does i believe that

1341
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:22,880
there

1342
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,720
our government does possess

1343
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:26,960
some physical evidence um lots of

1344
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:28,319
sources have told me that and there have

1345
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:29,599
actually been briefings that have been

1346
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:31,200
conducted

1347
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:35,119
program for members of congress and

1348
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,640
others

1349
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:38,880
basically discussing that so

1350
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:40,319
as we wrote about in our new york times

1351
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:42,400
story in july of 2020

1352
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:44,000
where we address the question of crash

1353
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:45,680
retrieval so

1354
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:47,280
um you know

1355
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:49,040
there's pretty it's pretty highly highly

1356
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:50,559
likely that

1357
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:53,119
they do have stuff and and

1358
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:55,760
yeah people i think that's becoming more

1359
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:58,400
and more clear as time goes on

1360
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:00,319
well the

1361
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:03,520
for for one thing the reverse technology

1362
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:04,720
i'm not sure

1363
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,800
if that's even if we could even

1364
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:08,400
understand

1365
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:10,160
what what we're looking at right now

1366
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:12,319
that's that's the big question

1367
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:15,119
you know could someone 300 years ago

1368
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:17,280
understand how a cell phone works you

1369
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:18,880
know that

1370
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:21,520
beautiful i mean i i have no idea but

1371
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:24,079
i'm just speculating that the technology

1372
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:25,920
must be incredible

1373
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:28,400
if that's if that's what it is you know

1374
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,280
if that's if it came from

1375
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,440
extraterrestrial if it made it here it

1376
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:35,040
seems like it would have to have a

1377
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:38,559
technology beyond and then often times

1378
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:40,880
you hear in that case well if that's so

1379
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:43,280
then how come it crashed

1380
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:44,559
you know that's what you hear all these

1381
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:46,720
questions i mean it may not be from

1382
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:49,040
another planet either i mean we don't

1383
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:51,839
know where these things are from yeah um

1384
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:53,359
so

1385
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:56,880
we just have no idea but um

1386
00:49:02,630 --> 00:48:59,760
it's all it's such a huge mystery martin

1387
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:02,640
right as schiff acknowledged and you

1388
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:04,160
know i loved that he said that one of

1389
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:05,760
the greatest mysteries of our time or

1390
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,359
went up something like that

1391
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:09,040
right it's absolutely true it's hard to

1392
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:10,960
put all the pieces together of what we

1393
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:12,880
know about this phenomenon and have them

1394
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:14,960
all make sense

1395
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,079
and um i think that's part of what

1396
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:20,400
is intriguing about the whole thing is

1397
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:22,319
to try to do that

1398
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:24,000
and see if we ever can get to the bottom

1399
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:25,760
of it maybe we never will maybe it's

1400
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:27,520
something completely incomprehensible to

1401
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:28,319
us

1402
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:31,760
yeah i i i almost think that

1403
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,640
is probably so myself yeah yeah

1404
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:38,640
can you talk at all about

1405
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:42,480
what exactly the cnn and the cnn

1406
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:45,200
series will be can you yeah it's i mean

1407
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:46,559
i can say a little bit about it it's

1408
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:48,880
called the title of it is finally it's

1409
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:51,760
called um ufos investigating

1410
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:53,200
investigating the unknown i believe

1411
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:57,040
that's the title and it's five episodes

1412
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:59,040
um and its focus is really on the

1413
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:01,680
relationship between government and ufo

1414
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:03,599
investigations

1415
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:05,839
so it covers um

1416
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:07,280
some of what's happened you know a lot

1417
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,359
of what's happened since 2017 it also

1418
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:11,680
covers goes back through time and looks

1419
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:13,119
back at

1420
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:16,000
um the project blue book phase and some

1421
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:18,960
of the cases that occurred after that um

1422
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:20,960
and you know i can't i can't say a whole

1423
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:23,359
lot about the details of it but i for

1424
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,680
some of the ufo people out there they're

1425
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:27,599
going to say oh we already know all this

1426
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:28,480
but

1427
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:31,359
i we have to remember that this show is

1428
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:32,880
geared towards an audience that doesn't

1429
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:34,720
know anything and they're the ones that

1430
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:37,359
need to be reached

1431
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:38,480
that's right

1432
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:39,200
and

1433
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:40,880
there is also a lot of new stuff in

1434
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:42,400
there i think there's some absolutely

1435
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:44,079
great interviews with people that

1436
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:46,160
everyone will find fascinating and the

1437
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:48,880
filmmakers did a great job so um

1438
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:51,359
i think it's it's going to be and it was

1439
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,960
supposed to come out in july but and

1440
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:54,960
we're not sure yet now if that's still

1441
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:57,040
going to happen we're not i think the

1442
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:59,119
date is just being decided now

1443
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,280
yeah oh i see well i'll tell you what

1444
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:03,599
when that when that is

1445
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:06,720
about ready to come out uh please do

1446
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:08,720
let me know and i'll make sure that you

1447
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:11,359
know i get it out there on this show

1448
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:13,040
great yeah thank you

1449
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:15,040
and i'm posting right now in the chat

1450
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:18,079
room i'm posting the link to our next

1451
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:20,880
show which begins in about nine minutes

1452
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:23,200
so and i want to recommend to people i

1453
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:26,240
mean i've i've known randy for years

1454
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:27,920
he's a great friend of mine randy

1455
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:31,520
nickerson and he made an amazing film

1456
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:35,040
it's really moving it's really um

1457
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,400
just sort of transcends all the

1458
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:40,079
fighting that's going on about this

1459
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:42,480
topic it's not about government it's not

1460
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:44,800
about officials it's just about human

1461
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:46,000
beings

1462
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:48,720
yes a lot of them children

1463
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:50,640
and then you see them as adults it's

1464
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:52,880
about the impact on these human beings

1465
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:55,520
of having this encounter and it's

1466
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:58,079
it's just a really really great

1467
00:52:01,829 --> 00:52:00,319
moving wonderful film i really highly

1468
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:01,839
recommend everybody

1469
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:04,400
everybody watch it um yeah i was i was

1470
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:06,880
involved with throughout the whole

1471
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:09,520
journey that randy went through and ran

1472
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:10,400
different

1473
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:12,079
renditions of that movie and the

1474
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:13,839
struggles he went through and the work

1475
00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:16,480
he did on that film over a long long

1476
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:17,920
period i think it's been at least 10

1477
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:19,839
years

1478
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:21,680
13 13

1479
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:23,920
hard work yeah financial struggles

1480
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:25,040
everything

1481
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:27,359
so dedicated and uh

1482
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:30,079
this is his day this is his time to

1483
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:33,599
celebrate and i hope everybody will

1484
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:35,280
will enjoy that movie and i i don't

1485
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:37,040
think you can watch it and not not be

1486
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:39,119
moved by it i mean absolutely it's

1487
00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:40,960
really really wonderful so i'm so glad

1488
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:44,240
you're having him on and um yeah

1489
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:46,160
i think he's watching us right now oh

1490
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:51,270
uh thank you so much fuzzy

1491
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:53,119
i'm happy to be with you martin thanks

1492
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:54,720
for having me always a great

1493
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:56,880
conversation thank you okay take care

1494
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:58,880
all right all right bye all right

1495
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:00,240
everyone so you want to jump over to the

1496
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:02,880
next stream and for those of you

1497
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:05,200
watching uh live that's what you want to

1498
00:53:11,870 --> 00:53:09,119
do and i am going to sign out for this

1499
00:53:22,930 --> 00:53:11,880
show and thank you very much